I remember this film being ridiculously cheesy and corny throughout. From the story to the special effects to the acting, my memory was telling me there was nothing good about this film. Having watched it in a crappy televised pan & scan version a few times in my youth I can say that my opinion of Conan the Destroyer was not fully formed.
There aren't many good things about Conan the Destroyer, but somethings do stand out over others. The cinematography is gorgeous with it's widescreen shots of desserts landcapes and magical sets. Some of the sets look quite good too, while others look like they have come straight out of the low budget world of the original Star Trek.
Arnold's acting has improved from Barbarian too. Not that he's a good actor here, just better than he was in the last film. He delivers his lines better than he did in Barbarian and he wields the sword faster and more confidentially than he did before. And like the first film, there really is no one else who one can think of that would be a better Conan than Arnold. But unlike the first film, there are no supporting characters that deliver good performances. The acting is uniformly bad throughout. Tracey Walter, who plays Malak, Conan's sidekick is god awful and Olivia D'aba doesn't fare much better. Interestingly enough, I remember Grace Jones being the worst thing about this film but she actually comes off better than half the actors that come and go throughout the film.
The last positive thing about Conan the Destroyer is the music. Once again scored byBasil Poledouris, the music is epic and enjoyable and features the classic Conan theme from the first film. In Barbarian I found that the music, although good, was misplaced for the most part. This time around, the music suits the scenes a lot better than before. With soft moments, loud moments, thrilling moments, sad moments and romantic moments, Conan the Destroyer's music is a well crafted, enjoyable score that makes the movie better than it should be.
The bad things about this movie are endless. I've already mentioned how there is not a good performance to be had from anyone, and how some of the sets look incredibly cheap and fake. I know that this film is 18 years old but the original looked better than this one did, so there is really no excuse to some of the shoddy special effects that appear throughout.
For example, when Conan is fighting a lizard like creature in a castle (don't ask) somewhere in the middle of the film, the lizard looks like the lizard creature Kirk fights in a classic episode of Star Trek. By that I mean, it looks incredibly fake. I can't believe the crew, the actors or anyone in the audience could take that seriously. And then when Conan and company have escaped the castle and are in a boat, the blue screen effects are really some of the worst that I have ever seen.
Then there is the story that is just plain weak. Both Conan films featured weak stories, but this one is just to far out there. Barbarian tried to place Conan in our world; Destroyer seems at times to forget this and goes to far into stupidity and mysticism. And there are some extremely cheesy jokes and set pieces scattered throughout. I don't think I could ever forget the moment with Conan and the camel, but man do I wish I could.
Mako, who returns as the wizard from the first film, has to be the worst and most useless wizard I have ever seen. The only thing he does here is use his 'powers' to close a door. What kind of wizard is that and why even have him in the film?
But the worst thing about Conan the Destroyer is that unlike the first film, this one is rated PG. What made the first Conan good, in a sense, was the violence, the sex, the gore. This movie gets rid of all of that and replaces it with annoying characters and corny jokes that don't work. Why did the producers do this? Especially since the first film was a huge hit. I don't know about you, but I'd much rather see Arnold stab a guy with a sword than making stabbing motions towards a camera over and over again.
So if you've never seen this movie, but need to see everything Conan or everything Arnold then I'm sure you will see this one, but otherwise stick to the first one, if even that. There are better Conan style adventures out there and Arnold has made so many better movies. After all these years I finally saw this film again, and upon completion it has become abundantly clear why Arnold never made another one.
Film Rating: 48%
Breakdown (How Conan the Destroyer scored 48%):
Production Design: 4 out of 10
Cinematography: 7 out of 10
Re-playability: 4 out of 10
Originality: 4 out of 10
Costumes: 6 out of 10
Directing: 4 out of 10
Editing: 4 out of 10
Acting: 4 out of 10
Music: 7 out of 10
Script: 4 out of 10
I commend you for raising all the positive points about the film but I think you(and many die-hard Barbarian fans) ignore the quality of the action/violence and instead push this 'it's a corny family-fun movie' tag on it.
ReplyDeleteYou mentioned his improved use of the sword,yes, but aside from the fight with the wizard/creature which I agree was corny the fighting was brilliant and completely on a par with Barbarian. The action sequence at the beginning(lots of blood flying, slit throats), the attack on the cannibals (decapitation, crushed skull),the ambush of Taramis's soldiers (bloody slashes,knee chops,impaling), the massive pile up of death when Conan and Bombaata are taking on a whole friggin army in the vault (bloody slashes, slit throats, strangulation) at the palace in Shadizar(knee chops, dirty fighting, back stabs, impaling, person crushed to floor by Dagoth while horribly screaming, character impaled by horn and tossed aside)
I could go on but acting like it's one big joke-fest after reading what I've mentioned is being really disengenous. It has it's problems,but many act like Barbarian has none and has be elevated above it because it's dark and gloomy and 'what Howard would have wanted'. Yeah right.
You want true cheese, watch Red Sonja (although that is a guilty pleasure for me I have to admit).
I don't know what movie you watched, but the violence in Destroyer pales in comparison to Barbarian. Sure there is more fighting in Destroyer and in the end more action, but it isn't handled as well, has worse effects and is numbed down to a PG rating.
DeleteI bet that had Destroyer been rated R, then it could of even been better than Barbarian. But, alas, we shall never know. (Although it was just announced that Arnold will be back, playing Conan for a third time, in a sequel that ignores Destroyer. Oh Yeah!!!!
(And I also find Red Sonja to be a fun, guilty pleasure. Bridgette Neilson never looked better and it was kinda of fun. It is just as cheesy, if a little less, than Conan the Destroyer.
Well I disagree there, the action in Barbarian is a lot more brutal yes, but memorable, no. The action/swordfighting/violence in Destroyer is handled well, the editing is especially great when Conan & Bombaata are facing off against the army - that also provides a nice counterpoint to their confrontation later on.
DeleteAbout the effects in the movie I agree they aren't great but using effects to convey a more fantastical world is no bad thing, aside from the Thulsa Doom transformation there's hardly any in Barbarian, which makes it less memorable and closeted.Plus it goes against part of Robert E. Howard's ethos to refuse to create something a bit more mystical than the norm and its sedentary pace also goes against the energy of his writing.
PG as you know stands for 'parental guidance' which indicates a level of violence that means a parent should be with a child or teen if they want to watch it so that's not a great argument for it being labeled as'happy and non-violent'. The R rating is completely overrated these days and films that have it generally suck and get so swamped with violence that you hardly get a coherent film out of it.
I don't care in the slightest that the new Conan will ignore Destroyer, but it'll be fun however to see it explain the humongous gap between a semi-coherent screaming man-child (Barbarian's version of Conan), and an old, weary King Conan figure who has had previously only film 1 adventure/experience. What a legend!!
Oh, and even though I'll largely ignore your cheap shot about Red Sonja/Destroyer I'll still let you know that every serious reference to Conan on the net, on articles, forums (avatars and sigs) and other such sites they always use picture/movie references from Destroyer. Then they go on about how they love Barbarian and hate Destroyer!!
*shrugs* Maybe Destroyer just has a lot more to it than Barbarian and people can't even remember what happened in it let alone reference anything from it...
Ok... The violence in Destroyer, In my opinion isn't handled as well as the violence in Barbarian (It's numbed down for all ages).
DeleteSure there is more, and there are more effects but the director isn't as good as the director of Barbarian.
The story is better (in Destroyer), but the screenplay isn't.
The acting is by far worse in Destroyer (except for Arnold).
By making the movie PG they took the best part away from what could of been a better movie.
You seem to be telling me that you think Destroyer is a better movie than
Barbarian. No Way!!! This can't be true. Is it?
The reason they use stills from Destroyer is because it has more effects, Arnold looks better (Older, better definition, and more emotion) and the film is shot in 2.35:1 versus 1.85:1, which makes for better imagery every time.
I agree, it will be fun to see how they connect an older Conan with the the one in Barbarian. Will they ignore the fact that Arnold is 30 or more years older? Will they play into the fact? If they ignore it the film is doomed for failure.
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I can't agree about the violence,sorry, fully visible throat-slitting and other violence like I've mentioned do not make it a 'campy' movie. It has humour but what's wrong with that? Does every movie(Robin Hood,Kreuger,James Bond, Batman etc) have to be grim-dark nowadays before people will follow it? Image is everything after all, don't want to be seen watching a fun, adventurous movie now do we?.
DeleteDirector isn't as good, again, Destroyer is more memorable and exciting to me so thats an indication of a job well done.Also in my opinion Fleischer got a more polished performance out of Arnie than Milius did.
The screenplay, well, you have to judge that on what the film is trying to do. Barbarian is a revenge story, so you don't need a set pattern to the film as long the culmination of that is - hero defeating villain. Destroyer is a quest movie with many different characters and motivations so you have to understand it's going to have to flip back and forth between Conan's quest and other sub-plots i.e. Taramis's schemes. This will look like it's disjointed, but it's simply going about the film's intention. Shots are framed well, it's always clear what's going on and and what's being said. I don't see the problem (other than not being dark,grim, hardcore, R-rated).
The best actor in Barbarian is James Earl Jones, followed by Mako and Sandahl Bergman.You say Milius is a better director but how can he be when his own lead is outshone and at times made to look ridiculous? The performances in Destroyer are all fairly even, no-one really stands out but they play their parts well and are memorable for it.
About the ratings I have to admit I'm somewhat confused, on IMDB Barbarian is rated 15 and Destroyer is also 15. I have the Destroyer DVD so I can confirm that. So I guess your PG argument on that score is not valid.
I do think Destroyer is better overall, better performance from Arnold, better scenery/locations, music score, more varied characters, dialogue,it's more ambitious with respect to fantastical elements/situations. Barbarian however has a better atmosphere, more brutal action (but equal in terms of skill execution), better and more compelling villain but other than those points it's lack of interesting scenes,situations and locations that kills it.
It's not the point, they could use imagery from Barbarian but they don't. Picture quality is not going to hold them back with programs like Photoshop so that's no argument.That doesn't say much for Barbarian's presentation if they can't find a suitable image. What I found funny in this instance is the articles talking about 'Legend of Conan' are using stills from a film they are apparently going to ignore.Oh yeah indeed!!
I might continue posting on other topics, but peoples attitudes towards this movie are so out of proportion it's unreal. They see one joke and smile in the movie and suddenly it's 'campy and childish' while ignoring the serious aspects. They ignore the attempts the script makes to make the world seem harsh and cruel. Taramis sends her soldiers at Conan at the beginning to capture him,she uses his love of Valeria against him, they find cannibals trying to cook Achiro alive, a creepy wizard kidnaps Jenna and then trys to kiil Conan by turning into a fanged beastman, Zula's been tied up for sport by cruel and irate villagers, Bombaata and Conan have to take down an entire army who have them surrounded,'you know who' is about be sacrificed by the deranged Taramis to resurrect a vengeful god...again these themes are ignored because someone cracks a smile or does something funny.